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County Durham => County Durham Business and Employment => Topic started by: phil7853 on Dec 10, 2008, 13:56

Title: Nissan
Post by: phil7853 on Dec 10, 2008, 13:56
As Nissan send home 3500 workers, what will happen to all the just in time supplier's
Will they just send all there work force home with out pay or lay them off ?
There are a lot of supplier's in the local area , poss 5000 people ?
No good Xmas for them them  :cry:
Title: Re: Nissan
Post by: greyhound lover on Dec 10, 2008, 14:01
It's a worrying time for so many people.

My hubby works at Nissan, he's had the odd stand down day but not many, then he went in for night shift last night and was told to return on Monday - next Friday is also a stand down.  Some of the temps are worried their contracts will not be renewed

However the positive is that they are still producing cars, unlike some manufacturers, they are only producing what is "sold" but at least they are doing what they can to protect the workforce and the suppliers workforce.  Also the overall sales drop on vehicles is 50% and although 40%, at least Nissans is less.

But a time for everyone to worry, no doubt.  I hope for so many people's sake that this recession is over soon or that the government steps in to help
Title: Re: Nissan
Post by: Victoria Sponge on Dec 10, 2008, 14:28
It's a worrying time for so many people.


Our plant has been on a four day week for a few weeks now. Our Christmas holidays are extended from 19th Dec through to either the 5th or 12th or Jan depending on which area of the plant. Those with holidays left are taking the extra days as holiday - those without holidays take these days unpaid. There's never a good time for this to happen but at Christmas time it hits even harder
Title: Re: Nissan
Post by: phil7853 on Dec 10, 2008, 14:59
Most people should be on a standard week, therefore should get some pay if they are off work after being sent home by company  :cry:
Title: Re: Nissan
Post by: Durham Forum on Dec 10, 2008, 15:28
Anyone under threat of redundancy, wishing to calculate how much statutory redundancy they can expect can use the calculator here:

http://www.berr.gov.uk/whatwedo/employment/employment-legislation/employment-guidance/page33157.html

It'll be a bit of an eye-opener for some people.
Title: Re: Nissan
Post by: Victoria Sponge on Dec 10, 2008, 16:26
Anyone under threat of redundancy, wishing to calculate how much statutory redundancy they can expect can use the calculator here:

http://www.berr.gov.uk/whatwedo/employment/employment-legislation/employment-guidance/page33157.html

It'll be a bit of an eye-opener for some people.

i tried the calc and I'd survive for 4 weeks without work.

I've been made redundant several times over the past 6 years, and on every occasion I've picked up another job quite easily - but this time I'm not as optimistic as everyone in engineering are all in the same boat. I really need to keep my job this time around. But time will tell!
Title: Re: Nissan
Post by: Victoria Sponge on Dec 10, 2008, 16:33
Most people should be on a standard week, there for should get some pay if they are off work after being sent home by company  :cry:

And how are the company expected to meet a wage bill to pay everyone a standard week when there isn't any income from sales. - the bank won't extend the overdraft so where does the cash come from?
Title: Re: Nissan
Post by: Durham Forum on Dec 10, 2008, 17:12
Yep, when the pot is empty there ain't much choice for the employer if they are existing from hand to mouth.
Title: Re: Nissan
Post by: Credo on Dec 10, 2008, 17:43
Yep, when the pot is empty there ain't much choice for the employer if they are existing from hand to mouth.

You cant think that Nissan are existing hand to mouth
Title: Re: Nissan
Post by: Durham Forum on Dec 10, 2008, 18:01
You cant think that Nissan are existing hand to mouth

I was meaning generally, not specifically Nissan, but don't forget, Japan is in an even worse recession at the moment than us, so Nissan may not be as solid as you think. I think there's going to be a lot of companies who will find the bottom drops out of their market quicker than they can make adjustments to reduce outgoings and costs. This will leave huge holes in cashflow, with inevitable results. They just run out of money.  :(
Title: Re: Nissan
Post by: flooky on Dec 10, 2008, 20:53
You cant think that Nissan are existing hand to mouth

Just look at General Motors (Vauxhall in UK), Ford and Chrysler all trying to get emergency funding from the American Government. General Motors in particular is in dire straights and without funding may only have enough cash to last them to the end of this year.

BMW have stopped production of the Mini until the new year and most of the others are having extended Xmas breaks.

Nissan may actually be in a better position than some of the other Japanese ones because it is 49% owned by Renault and currently France is one of the only countries of the EU not in recession as their banks and the French as a whole do not lend/ borrow more then what is now found to be sensible (ie they live on what they earn not what they can borrow).
Title: Re: Nissan
Post by: CLANSMAN on Dec 10, 2008, 23:12
Oates of Willington has ceased trading after 69 years  .....    independant Nissan dealer

another local household name  victim of the credit crunch
Title: Re: Nissan
Post by: greyhound lover on Dec 11, 2008, 08:11
Very sad about Oates, saw it on the news

Well there is some good news Nissan Sunderland are getting another new car to build so at least that is something, there is apparently full production next week and again after Christmas, but I think so many of us are worried at the moment - especially when you see places like Woolies closing down
Title: Re: Nissan
Post by: SouthernExPat on Dec 11, 2008, 12:59
Little wonder Wollies is closing down.

20th Century shopping!...who the hell wants to stand in a long line of mothers with Pushchairs, grumpy old people, and rude checkout staff?...when you can grab a coffee, put the heating on, listen to some of your favourite music, and enjoy perusing online for weird and wonderful Christmas present from around the world, at half the cost?

Sorry high street chains.... your days are numbered!
Title: Re: Nissan
Post by: Credo on Dec 11, 2008, 14:39
Little wonder Wollies is closing down.

20th Century shopping!...who the hell wants to stand in a long line of mothers with Pushchairs, grumpy old people, and rude checkout staff?...when you can grab a coffee, put the heating on, listen to some of your favourite music, and enjoy perusing online for weird and wonderful Christmas present from around the world, at half the cost?

Sorry high street chains.... your days are numbered!

Just been down to Woolies in Chester le Street to see if any bargans were to be had. I have never seen it so busy. But SEP is correct about the mothers with pushchairs, if the way they drive those things is any indication I hope they dont drive cars!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Nissan
Post by: greyhound lover on Dec 18, 2008, 14:37
Nissan have shutdown early, they are closed from today (hubby got sent home at 10.30am) instead of closing after next Tuesday, but the brief said that they will continue to look at ways to keep on all the workforce, on full pay, if the economic downturn continues. 

We will wait and see.........................
Title: Re: Nissan
Post by: Durham Forum on Dec 18, 2008, 15:15
Our guys have been told they can shutdown a little earlier. As for me, I break up tonight.  :)
Title: Re: Nissan
Post by: Victoria Sponge on Dec 18, 2008, 15:24
Our assembly guys are finished from today  until the 12th  :shock: and even then we're only on a 4 day week
Title: Re: Nissan
Post by: SouthernExPat on Dec 18, 2008, 15:50
And the government's response to this?

Throw £78m at re-training people who have been made redundant!

What is the f*cking point of retraining people, if there are no Jobs for them???

Why not use that money to help Business's look at different markets, and actually survive in the first place, so as not to make people redundant in the first place?
Title: Re: Nissan
Post by: Victoria Sponge on Dec 18, 2008, 16:25
Any ideas as to which business area I could re-train?
Are there any jobs that aren't currently at risk?

IMHO this situation appears is be hitting all business areas rather than just engineering/manufacturing where I work.
Title: Re: Nissan
Post by: Credo on Dec 18, 2008, 16:46
Any ideas as to which business area I could re-train?
Are there any jobs that aren't currently at risk?

IMHO this situation appears is be hitting all business areas rather than just engineering/manufacturing where I work.

The only job which is not at risk is working for DWP in a Job Centre
Title: Re: Nissan
Post by: phil7853 on Dec 18, 2008, 20:22
At the moment for the next few weeks we have all the work we can handle !
but for the last few weeks we have been very slow  :cry:
Hope all can get work that they need ? :wink:
I think that this will go on for the rest of next year
 lets hope it is soon over so we can all get back to work
It will not be a happy Xmas for a lot of people  :cry:
Title: Re: Nissan
Post by: SouthernExPat on Dec 19, 2008, 00:20
it's a sad fact, but economies need recessions.

The crazy House prices, and ridiculous lending and retail prices that were just unsustainable had to come crashing down.

No economy can sustain that ludicrous level for ever... It was always a matter of 'when'..not 'if'

And Brown's way of handling it is utterly stupid!
Title: Re: Nissan
Post by: greyhound lover on Dec 19, 2008, 08:22
And the government's response to this?

Throw £78m at re-training people who have been made redundant!

What is the f*cking point of retraining people, if there are no Jobs for them???

Why not use that money to help Business's look at different markets, and actually survive in the first place, so as not to make people redundant in the first place?

Exactly!  The government are starting to piddle me off!

Also why do these damned banks not drop their interest rates, and the bl**dy energy companies not drop their prices, they're all quick enough to put them up.  If people had more money in their pockets each month, it'd lessen the blow.

And (while I'm on a rant) flippin Tyne Tees TV, who this morning reported that Nissan workers have to take a 75% pay cut in the New Year, my hubby saw the presentation at Nissan yesterday and nowhere did it say that, so stop trying to scare people you media bods, things are bad enough in this world without you making more doom and gloom!  :evil:
Title: Re: Nissan
Post by: SouthernExPat on Dec 19, 2008, 08:54
Exactly!  The government are starting to piddle me off!

Also why do these damned banks not drop their interest rates, and the bl**dy energy companies not drop their prices, they're all quick enough to put them up.  If people had more money in their pockets each month, it'd lessen the blow.

And (while I'm on a rant) flippin Tyne Tees TV, who this morning reported that Nissan workers have to take a 75% pay cut in the New Year, my hubby saw the presentation at Nissan yesterday and nowhere did it say that, so stop trying to scare people you media bods, things are bad enough in this world without you making more doom and gloom!  :evil:

Absolutely!!

The Media are gross in this Country!

ITV News the other night, had the two News readers sitting there, with a slowly flashing sign behind them, with the word 'Recession' flashing constantly!

Talk about Subliminal Messaging!!

As Brown seems to love his Law Creation, why doesn't he bring a law out that bans the media from talking complete and utter Bollox?!

(ah yes, sorry I forgot!...Then we would have all those Media Types out of a Job too eh?)  :wink:
Title: Re: Nissan
Post by: greyhound lover on Dec 19, 2008, 09:55

As Brown seems to love his Law Creation, why doesn't he bring a law out that bans the media from talking complete and utter Bollox?!


I entirely agree, we have enough garbage in this world!
Title: Re: Nissan
Post by: mike on Jan 08, 2009, 17:01
1200 jobs to go! That's really bad. Does anyone still have a job out there? Whatever next?
Title: Re: Nissan
Post by: phil7853 on Jan 08, 2009, 19:58
If there are 1200 jobs going at Nissan then there will be 3/4000 to go in the company's that supply them  :cry:
Title: Re: Nissan
Post by: CLANSMAN on Jan 08, 2009, 22:25
Its all going pear shaped....

no matter how much the "goverment"  drop the interest rate...  people are still  still going to be frugal

Savers are hit....

People whom would like to spend on a new car...... are those whom may loose there job

If  life was not so greedy.....  then everyone would have a piece of pie


How can shops charge  mega bucks,  then weeks later slash the price by half on a sale   ??

Surely it would be more sense to sell cheap and often than to  sell one at full money ??

I would buy a new car every two years if they where under £10,000 for a decent quality family car

Maybe we will go like china and   must scrap it after three years old ??  and buy new to keep everyone in work ?


Thing is we have too much choice.... 

It was either  bread and jam sandwich for tea ..... or a fry up  in my day .....     not maccy d   or  pannini

We  had the choice of   British Leyland,  Ford ,  or Vauxhall  ....         till  Datsun , and Toyota and Diahatsu   flooded the UK

We had  coal,  oil,  and steel, and water....       till the  :shock:   shipped it abroad or sold it to the French



We dont miss it till its gone.....

BUY BRITISH ......  SAVE OUR OWN INDUSTRY ...... AND ECONOMY


GREEDY BANKS TRIED TO BAIL OUT THE YANKS 

BRITS BAILED OUT THE YANKS AGAIN     ( IRAQ )

AND THE BRITS PAY FOR IT AGAIN

Title: Re: Nissan
Post by: Credo on Jan 08, 2009, 23:04
Yanks bailed out the British WW2 :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Nissan
Post by: Durham Forum on Jan 09, 2009, 07:56


How can shops charge  mega bucks,  then weeks later slash the price by half on a sale   ??

Surely it would be more sense to sell cheap and often than to  sell one at full money ??


The 'mega bucks' price includes their profit. The sale price is all about reducing stock. It's better to sell stock at reduced price than to not sell it at all and keep paying the storage costs. Stock eats working capital, and lack of working capital causes businesses to go bust.

Nissan has thousands of cars for which raw materials have been consumed (money paid out), standing as 'stock'. They can't sell them (no money in). The amount of money tied up in stock could make the difference between staying in business or going bust/making lots of people redundant. Now is the time to live 'hand-to-mouth' as a manufacturer.
Title: Re: Nissan
Post by: greyhound lover on Jan 09, 2009, 09:01
Hubby went into work last night to hear the news 2nd hand as we'd already seen the news.  They let all the temps go immediately which was very sad, as hubby said they were damned good lads who worked hard

We are hoping hubby isn't one of the remaining staff to be made redundant :cry:
Title: Re: Nissan
Post by: Durham Forum on Jan 09, 2009, 09:58
Fingers crossed for you that he'll be ok.
Title: Re: Nissan
Post by: anonymous on Jan 09, 2009, 10:48
Hope everything works out ok. I was once in a similar position. Not that I was losing my job, but that I was being forced to move a long way to somewhere I didn't want to go. Thankfully, in the end I didn't have to but it was a very distressing time.