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« on: Jan 03, 2010, 13:07 »
To all the idiots driving big 4x4s down the outside lane of snow covered roads Yes we all impressed by your acceleration and road holding but do you understand that if you are forced to brake hard your 4x4 system means nothing  Please dont let the 4x4 make you think your imortal your not

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Re: 4x4
« Reply #1 on: Jan 03, 2010, 14:13 »
It's not just 4x4's HRJ, I have seen quite a few cars and vans following other vehicles closely, with the only way of stopping quickly would be by using the rear of the one in front.

I myself drive a 4x4 in this weather, as I would not even think about using my other vehicle in this (which I prefer using) even though it has TCS/ABS it is far too heavy to have to pick up again in the ice and snow if dropped.
The 4x4 gives you better grip on the road but has very little, if any advantage on the brakes.

Most people have forgotten, or have not been taught, how to drive in the snow and ice, I have been to work yesterday and today (Ferryhill - Chester le Street) and only used the brakes 3 times in the whole time, that was the final stopping bit at a junction and traffic lights, this included going down Durham Road bank this morning following a car which was on their brakes all the way down. I hung back and, being in the right gear did not have to use any brakes at all.

What I do try and do with the 4x4 is slighty widen the tyre tracks that have been formed in the snow rather than just follow the ones already formed, trying to make the usable road wider for other vehicles.


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Re: 4x4
« Reply #2 on: Jan 03, 2010, 16:46 »
I drove from Chester le Street to Peterlee this morning, once of my estate the roads were passable with care. One set of tracks on the minor roads to houghton le Spring one lane on the 690 and the a19 was just about clear. Yet as pointed out some people were flying up to the back of a stream of traffic and braking the same as they would on dry road resulting in skids a few near misses. On the 690 we were all plodding along at about 50 in the inside lane which was clear all except the idiot in his Land rover how came horsing it down the outside lane kicking up a load of spray and no way would he have been able to stop if he needed to.
I acknowledge its not all 4x4 drivers its like all walks of society you get good and bad ones.

Perhaps new drivers who pass in summer time should be forced to take a supplementary test for winter driving

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Re: 4x4
« Reply #3 on: Jan 03, 2010, 17:38 »
Hi,

It makes me laugh,    we where out in the wifes Micra and loads of snow on the roads and we just tootled along as micra drivers do  and keeping up good speed to conditions


She was laughing as how times change when we get stuck behind a big Jag or Volvo that cannot hold the road and she calling them for being a slow,

who needs a 4x4  just a decent driver with a decent set of tyres on for the road

Strange thing is...     I have noticed those Volvo V50 estates are really terrible in the snow, slightest bit of an incline on slippy stuff and its a tailback !!    wrong tyres  I pressume ...   about 6  I have seen in the past few days 

I just think people are not used to driving slowy in snow, and are too relying on electric onboard gizmos to get them moving
traction control and abs  etc

Think it will be worse tomorrow as the back to work rush and I assume a load of frost and black ice to catch people out whom leave it last minute to jump in there cars not properly de-iced  or vision restricted due to not clearing the cars lights or exterior of snow..  then become late and need to get to destination as if it was a dry sunny morning


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Re: 4x4
« Reply #4 on: Jan 03, 2010, 18:33 »
One of the problems modern cars have over the older ones is the use of wider, low profile tyres rather than the narrower ones we used to use back in the............ (well a few years ago) more often on the larger cars or higher spec ones.

This spreads the weight of the vehicle over a larger contact patch, which is fine in the dry but not so good in the snow and ice where the narrow tyre lets more weight concentrated at the contact point.

One of the best cars I have driven in these conditions was an Austin Metro (remember them) and one of the worst being a Rover 800 automatic.

I am not sure all the fancy gadgets help much as one of the cars having most problems on Sat 20th outside my house was a Seat with ESP etc fitted. It kept cutting the engine altogether when a wheel slipped but even when switched off was still controlling it too much, the driver nearly burnt his clutch out in 2nd gear trying to get some drive without spinning his wheels too much and 4 of us pushing as well.

Can you still get town and country tyres like you used to get for the winter? 


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