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Another Labour Party donations scandal
« on: Nov 27, 2007, 11:05 »
Why would a successful property developer secretly give large donations to a political party?


Some interesting questions in todays Telegraph.
Questions the Labour Party must answer

1 Apart from Peter Watt, did anyone else know these donations came from David Abrahams?

2 Was Gordon Brown or any other minister alerted to the problem with the money?

3 Did Labour carry out any checks on the donations or simply accept the money?

4 Given that Mr Watt did know, why did Labour accept the money in the first place?

5 What form were these donations given in? If cheques were used, what account were they drawn on?

6 What checks did Harriet Harman make when receiving a £5,000 donation from Mr Abrahams's secretary, Janet Kidd, to her deputy leadership campaign?

7 Did Miss Harman seek to establish whether the money came from Mr Abrahams?

8 Has Gordon Brown ever met Mr Abrahams?

9 Did Mr Abrahams or anyone on his behalf give donations to Mr Brown's leadership campaign?

10 Have ministers considered any planning applications linked to Mr Abrahams's firms?

11 What is the total amount given to date to Labour by Mr Abrahams, his companies, or his 'proxies'?

12 Has Mr Abrahams ever been considered for an honour?


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Re: Another Labour Party donations scandal
« Reply #1 on: Nov 27, 2007, 13:08 »
Gordon Brown said he didn't know about the donations, but ignorance is no excuse. As the Government were recently investigated in the Cash for Honours case, I find it impossible to believe that this wan't known about if it had been going on then. It would surely have been uncovered by the police. So therefore this must have occurred since then. It's obvious that the guy who has fallen on his sword has done so to protect others, but it just gets worse and worse for Labour and better and better for the Conservatives. They've not only shot themselves in the foot, but the kneecaps as well. I personally don't believe anything our MPs say anymore. The horrible truth is that we'll have to put up with another two years of this unless someone is able to make a vote of no confidence stick.  :roll:

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« Reply #2 on: Nov 27, 2007, 16:31 »
The press are now saying that Labour is going to return £650K because it wasn't lawfully declared.

When it is returned, would that put an end to any investigation?  :?


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The horrible truth is that we'll have to put up with another two years of this unless someone is able to make a vote of no confidence stick.

Maybe Labour will do that themselves.  They've already been doing the other parties jobs for them by making themselves look so incompetent.

In two years time will anyone else want to pick up the pieces left over by Mr Brown?  Will there be any pieces left to pick up?  What else can they possibly bollox up in two years?

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Re: Another Labour Party donations scandal
« Reply #3 on: Nov 27, 2007, 18:06 »
I'm not sure, because they've broken electoral law. They don't seem to take much heed of the law when it applies to them, though. If Brown didn't know about it then i'm a Chinaman. He's only apologetic because they got caught, that's the sad bit.

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Re: Another Labour Party donations scandal
« Reply #4 on: Nov 27, 2007, 18:52 »
The ultimate sin.........getting caught!

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« Reply #5 on: Nov 28, 2007, 17:48 »
I hadn't realized until today that the media are connecting this scandal to a property development on our own Durham Doorstep.  :shock:

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article3198869.ece



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« Reply #6 on: Nov 29, 2007, 14:54 »
Money corrupts.  Covered up the database scandal nicely though hasn't it ?!?

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« Reply #7 on: Nov 29, 2007, 15:57 »
Surely you aren't suggesting that this was engineered to hide the database scandal, 'cos they've jumped out of the frying pan into the fire in that case. I don't think anyone has forgotten about the database thing and it will influence their voting more than the funding crisis.

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« Reply #8 on: Nov 29, 2007, 16:14 »
No.  Not suggesting it was engineered, only suggesting that it appears to be a convenient juxtaposition of events.  I recall a few years ago, after the bombings in London, it "being a good time to bury bad news", i.e., people are more concerned about one issue and don't focus on other issues.  Call me a cynic, but, would it be too much of a stretch of the imagination if it was engineered....

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« Reply #9 on: Nov 29, 2007, 17:03 »
The way things are at the moment, I wouldn't trust them to sit the right way on a toilet. They're like doctors when a charge of negligence comes up - they close ranks and watch each other's backs. Harriet Harman is the wife of the Labour Treasurer, how could she not have known? Other ministers had already refused money because they didn't personally know the individuals making the donations. Abrahams had already tried to give money under someone elses name to Hilary Benn, but he refused it, then accepted it when Abrahams made the cheque out directly, so alarm bells must have been ringing that this guy was trying to pass money on via proxy and that they should keep their wits about them. This is illegal and all ministers know it is. The only way they could be caught out is if they turned a blind eye and then said it was accepted 'in good faith'.

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