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Another Police Officer Stabbed
« on: Jul 03, 2007, 14:47 »
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2019709.ece

When are this Leftie, bleeding heart, soft Government going to actually do something about this growing Knife Culture?

Instead of pouring Billions of ? into some far off Arab Hell-hole....Why dont they spend a little bit of that money building Prisons to house these louts?...Instead of releasing 2,000 convicts onto the streets because the Prisons they have are over-flowing?

It speaks volumes about the society that the Bleeding Hearts have created.
The only way to stop people doing bad things...is to make the punishments really bad too!

You learn as a child, that if you stick your finger on an electric hob...it f*cking hurts...correct?...therefore, you learn that you would be better off not doing that....wonderfully useful thing mother nature is eh?

But commit a crime in mamby Pamby Britain...and the overpaid Defence Lawyers, will appeal and appeal til you get released.

Probation?.... Thats just a laugh.
How can going to see a Probation Officer once a week, to talk about Football, possibly deter you from crime?

Community Service?

Again..merely an inconvenience for the offender...not a detterent.

6 Months Hard Labour...breaking rocks Pappilon style?

Thats more like it! :D

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Re: Another Police Officer Stabbed
« Reply #1 on: Jul 03, 2007, 17:31 »
Could this be the start of a discussion about arming our police?

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Re: Another Police Officer Stabbed
« Reply #2 on: Jul 03, 2007, 17:51 »
Why, just look at the TV pictures of Glasgow London and around the airports. They already are armed. And quite right too in my opinion.

We cant expect our Bobbies to fight terrorism with a wooden stick .

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Re: Another Police Officer Stabbed
« Reply #3 on: Jul 03, 2007, 18:30 »
I was meaning more all officers, all the time.  Would this have turned out different if this officer had been armed?

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« Reply #4 on: Aug 11, 2007, 15:51 »
I was meaning more all officers, all the time.  Would this have turned out different if this officer had been armed?

You've got to be kidding me.

Would you really want these two with access to firearms?



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Re: Another Police Officer Stabbed
« Reply #5 on: Aug 11, 2007, 16:12 »
Poor example. At first, the man with the camera was within his rights, but he continued to provoke and bait the coppers who did well to walk away. I'm sure they could have nicked him if they'd really wanted to, and he wouldn't have had the film to upload to YouTube. He sounded a bit of a knob to be honest.

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Re: Another Police Officer Stabbed
« Reply #6 on: Aug 11, 2007, 17:19 »
They should have shot him for being a d*ck-head!

People like that who bait the police and others, purely to get a rise and film it,  which was what he was doing when they caught him, are no better than some spotty oik of a teenager who is into happy slapping.

The police obviously had their facts wrong in any event, however I agree with the knob-head statement below.

Even if the police in the video were armed this would not highlight an argument either for or against. 

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« Reply #7 on: Aug 12, 2007, 18:11 »
Poor example. Af first, the man with the camera was within his rights, but he continued to provoke and bait the coppers who did well to walk away. I'm sure they could have nicked him if they'd really wanted to, and he wouldn't have had the film to upload to YouTube. He sounded a bit of a knob to be honest.

The two coppers had no legal right to enter the private property. (Maybe that's why they scarpered so quickly after having spoken to their Sgt on the radio)

They clearly didn't know their powers. It is not an offence to film Police Officers in public places as long as you do not obstruct the lawful execution of their duty. That's in direct contradiction to what they said on camera.

They did not provide their names, numbers and station when asked to do so, which they are obliged to do.

The camerman's shouting at the end of the film does nothing to strengthen his case, I'll concede.

However, the situation remains, if Police cannot even learn the basics, I don't want them anywhere near firearms.

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« Reply #8 on: Aug 12, 2007, 18:13 »
Even if the police in the video were armed this would not highlight an argument either for or against. 

It's about intelligence and competence.

The incompetence in the video, could have led to someone being locked up.

At firearms into the mix and the incompetence could have led to a death.

Quad errat demonstrandum.

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Re: Another Police Officer Stabbed
« Reply #9 on: Aug 12, 2007, 18:36 »
They went to investigate what they saw moving in the garden, probably the glint of a lens or something. They asked the man to stop filming, which he refused to do, so they then checked to see if an offence had been committed. When they found it hadn't, they walked away. The officers in question probably deal with hundreds of people like him every day, people with nothing better to do but trying to stir things up and provoking them. The officers remained calm at all times. Do you really think it prudent that their time is taken up dealing with gob****es like the bloke who filmed it? I don't. Why was he filming them in the first place, other than trying to be clever? I have a mental picture of the guy, unemployed, unshaven, with 8 kids and another on the way, living on a West Midlands coucil estate that is riddled with crime. He may not have been doing anything wrong, but he was a grade-A a******e IMHO. I'll bet that if they did visit his house they'd have many opportunities to shop him. Probably the usual stuff - untaxed car, dangerous dog, fiddling dole and rewiring his electric meter, pirating cds and DVDs. Waste of space.

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Re: Another Police Officer Stabbed
« Reply #10 on: Aug 13, 2007, 01:14 »
They went to investigate what they saw moving in the garden, probably the glint of a lens or something. They asked the man to stop filming, which he refused to do, so they then checked to see if an offence had been committed. When they found it hadn't, they walked away. The officers in question probably deal with hundreds of people like him every day, people with nothing better to do but trying to stir things up and provoking them. The officers remained calm at all times. Do you really think it prudent that their time is taken up dealing with gob****es like the bloke who filmed it? I don't. Why was he filming them in the first place, other than trying to be clever? I have a mental picture of the guy, unemployed, unshaven, with 8 kids and another on the way, living on a West Midlands coucil estate that is riddled with crime. He may not have been doing anything wrong, but he was a grade-A a******e IMHO. I'll bet that if they did visit his house they'd have many opportunities to shop him. Probably the usual stuff - untaxed car, dangerous dog, fiddling dole and rewiring his electric meter, pirating cds and DVDs. Waste of space.

1. They weren't investigating a glint in the bushes. They could see they were being filmed.

2. They told the man it was an offence to film them. (Wrong - regardless of your opinion of the cameraman) This is either incompetence or a deliberate attempt at intimidation.

3. When challenged, they didn't appear too sure of their ground, decided it wasn't a clear cut case of being an offence and having issued the threat to the cameraman, they checked with their Sgt. After they spoke to their Sgt. they vacated the situation very quickly.

4. They refused to properly identify themselves when asked for their names. Something they are obliged to do.

Gob****e or not, the cameraman did nothing wrong. Unfortunately you cannot say the same for the police.

The cameraman knew the law better than the Police and that should never happen. They tried, they got caught out. They had to leave with their tail between their legs. End of story.

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Re: Another Police Officer Stabbed
« Reply #11 on: Aug 13, 2007, 07:32 »
Agreed, they weren't sure of the law, they checked then walked away. The fact that they didn't know the law here has little relevance to the question of arming them. The rules of engagement are clearly laid down and they would be much more sure of the law in that respect.

They had the right to enter the private property if they suspected (rightly or wrongly) that a crime might be being committed. If they'd arrested the man, they'd be wrong, but they didn't. What you don't know from the film is how often the guy gives them grief, what his record is, how many times has he been in trouble with them before. You just don't know from watching the film. They may have dealings with him every other day for all we know.

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