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David Cameron Exposed ( Scandal Revealed)
« on: Jan 07, 2008, 16:53 »
David Cameron will unveil tough proposals to get the long-term unemployed back to work in what could potentially be the biggest shake-up of the welfare system since the 1942 Beveridge report.

The radical plans are expected to include a new “screening” regime to identify fraudulent claimants for invalidity benefit, measures to cut payments to other benefit recipients who refuse jobs and plans to force lone parents to look for work once their youngest child reaches the age of four.

Many of the proposals Mr Cameron will suggest were first raised in a report commissioned by Tony Blair seven months before he left office, but have not yet been adopted by Gordon Brown.

How should Britain’s welfare system be transformed? Do you think these proposals would work? Will taking a tough stance on the welfare system ultimately improve Mr Cameron’s prospects in the next election?

Now heres my oppinion on this

The problem with these changes is legallity. There are laws in place and regulations that must be adhered to and the law is complicated.

How much will this cost them to introduce these changes and accuire this legally way to much i reckon . They will be worse of in the end and i dont think certain people of the goverment will agree with that. Now the catching fraudlent claimants is a great idea yes there are people who really dont need them and have nothing wrong with them while legit people who are nearly in a wheelchair get refused them. As for people refusing jobs heres the problem david doesnt realise.

Fictional scenario

Lets say Steve wants a carrear in IT,Admin or retail and a Production Assembly job comes along. Now Steve who has no interest in a carrear in this gets his money docked for refusing this job or stoped what does the lad live on? this is a carrear that he has no interest in. That right there would be wrong and breeching his human rights. Now lets say steve has no choice to accept this job. When he starts hes going to be unhappy and upset thus affecting his ability to do the job he was forced to do and putting the safety or not only customers and staff at risk.

All because of David Camerons changes. Now lets say David does this where does the money saved from bennefits go. In the goverments back pocket not you the tax payer does anyone see what im saying. Now its inexcusable not to work however there are acceptable circumstances and the goverment if they allow this will only end up with far to many protestors outside there houses of parliment and the end result will not be good for this bad idea. Stopping peoples money because they wont do a job the goverment wants them to do should be illegall and is basicly letting them chose how you live your life by what job they want you to have. Its kind of like they are taking away your freedom.

You know David Cameron in my oppinion this is not to say he is really is like Edward Longshanks, only this time we are his enermy and these ideas will only bring poverty to the Uk or increase it forfold.

And there are plenty of people who will resist this right away. I mean if you stop or cut peoples bennefits thats like forcing them to live a life of depravity because the goverment cant make them do what they want. Ill bet that it wont be long before we see riots if this goes ahead.





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Re: David Cameron Exposed ( Scandal Revealed)
« Reply #1 on: Jan 07, 2008, 17:07 »
..... thats like forcing them to live a life of depravity .....

Are you sure you don't mean 'poverty'? :-) :-)

Labour have complained that Cameron has stolen their idea, so it's really their fault.

If there are no jobs in IT, Admin or Retail available, is Steve just going to sit on his arse all day, or is he going to retrain in something else and have a bit of pride about whatever sector he works in? It's all down to approach. Does the world owe him a living or not? Does he want to work, or not? It's easier finding a job if you're already working than if you're on the dole, and have been for years.

It's not a matter of doing a job the Government want him to do, it's really about getting the layabouts of this country into work to cut down on handouts. I know people who've never worked in their lives and have no intention to do so. Why should I pay taxes to keep them?

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Re: David Cameron Exposed ( Scandal Revealed)
« Reply #2 on: Jan 07, 2008, 18:04 »
That right there would be wrong and breeching his human rights.

What human rights?  Explain them.   He has a right to provide for himself and his family.  We don't owe him a living.  By all means support those who need help, but most of us, even in retirement, are sick of supporting, by excessive taxation, those able, but too lazy to work.

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Re: David Cameron Exposed ( Scandal Revealed)
« Reply #3 on: Jan 07, 2008, 21:36 »
Put yourself in this position you are forced to clean sewerage drains for a living thus cleaning up other peoples urine and excrement.

Not exactly what you had in mind is it but the goverment wants to force you to accept that job or lose your bennefit.

See what i mean




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Re: David Cameron Exposed ( Scandal Revealed)
« Reply #4 on: Jan 07, 2008, 22:28 »
Put yourself in this position you are forced to clean sewerage drains for a living thus cleaning up other peoples urine and excrement.

Not exactly what you had in mind is it but the goverment wants to force you to accept that job or lose your bennefit.

See what i mean


Where is the problem?  People do clean drains etc.  There are jobs available.  The wefare state has ruined this country.  People expect to be provided with houses, furniture and money with getting out of bed.  What is your answer to the problem?

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Re: David Cameron Exposed ( Scandal Revealed)
« Reply #5 on: Jan 08, 2008, 07:12 »
Excuse me, David Cameron is not a member of the Government. How can he be to blame?

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Re: David Cameron Exposed ( Scandal Revealed)
« Reply #6 on: Jan 08, 2008, 07:45 »
The wefare state has ruined this country. 

I recommend this book
The Welfare State We're in by James Bartholomew


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Re: David Cameron Exposed ( Scandal Revealed)
« Reply #7 on: Jan 08, 2008, 09:12 »
Put yourself in this position you are forced to clean sewerage drains for a living thus cleaning up other peoples urine and excrement.

Not exactly what you had in mind is it but the goverment wants to force you to accept that job or lose your bennefit.

See what i mean


I think if you've been unemployed for two years or more and haven't yet found a job, you're either not looking hard enough, or have deliberately made yourself unemployable. The idea is that you do some community work instead of sitting around doing nothing. The problem is that it can be quite lucrative sitting around doing nothing these days, and getting a job will mean a cut in 'income'. There are lots of people who don't work who bring in nearly as much as I do in full time employment. There's the problem - why should you bust your nuts off to earn less than you would just doing nothing? There's no pride these days in saying thast you've got a job. On the other side of the coin, Thatcherism made sure the working man could be exploited by his employer, so working long hours for a pittance suddenly came back into the frame.

On the whole though, any potential scheme to help expose dole cheats and lazy, 'won't work' people is to be applauded.

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Re: David Cameron Exposed ( Scandal Revealed)
« Reply #8 on: Jan 08, 2008, 12:11 »
something needs to be done - presently it's too easy (and financial beneficial) for certain sections of our society not to work - this has to change - they're just a bunch of lazy slack arses.

are you one of them gaz?

I'm in my mid 30's and aprt from studying - I have only been umemployed for 3 months since leaving school. I prefered to work in a burger bar than be a scrounger.

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Re: David Cameron Exposed ( Scandal Revealed)
« Reply #9 on: Jan 08, 2008, 12:44 »
I have spent a total of 2 months out of work since I left school in 1979.

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Re: David Cameron Exposed ( Scandal Revealed)
« Reply #10 on: Jan 08, 2008, 13:01 »
something needs to be done - presently it's too easy (and financial beneficial) for certain sections of our society not to work - this has to change - they're just a bunch of lazy slack arses.

are you one of them gaz?

I'm in my mid 30's and aprt from studying - I have only been umemployed for 3 months since leaving school. I prefered to work in a burger bar than be a scrounger.
I've been made redundant every 2 years for the past 18 years and so far I've been lucky and mananaged to pick up some employment ( temping) until something else has turned up. there are jobs available but sometimes we need to travel further afield or accept a lower paid position outside the normal remit.

I do think that people with larger families are actually better off not working, as the benifits are either too high whilst unemployed or withdrawn too quickly once working and therefore the current benifit system doesn't supply incentive to get up and seek work. But I don't see why I'm expected to pay taxes to allow people the choice not to work.

Community service/charity work would be an ideal opportunity to gain some experience and reputation on time keeping, Social skills etc that are needed in the job market and improve our communities

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Re: David Cameron Exposed ( Scandal Revealed)
« Reply #11 on: Jan 08, 2008, 13:09 »
I have only ever signed on once, in Newton Aycliffe Job Centre.  I signed on at 11.00 and then signed off at 11.05!!  Not even sure if it would be worth them printing a giro for that one  :P

The problem that I found is that there were no jobs in the area I wanted to work, so I changed areas - relatively simple.  I could not find the work I wanted in the field I wanted so I opted to do the same work in a slightly different field.  I agree with some of the earlier comments, the status quo is that it is far too easy to sit on ones backside and receive handouts than it is to get off the same and look for work.

I can count numerous people that I know that lay about doing sweet FA and complain they CANT get a job.  Dont blooming want one is the honest truth!  However on the flip side of the coin, I know a couple who have both been out of work for a while, but they are busting their guts out to find anything, in fact one has just recently obtained employment.

The truth of the matter is that there ARE jobs out there.  Albeit not that well paid in some cases, but it boils down to pride in my book.  I would rather have a poorly paid menial job than no job at all.  The thought of sitting about all day watching day-time TV and eating breakfast cereal would shame me to death.

If it comes down to it and you can't find work doing what you want to do, then re-train, hells teeth the department of stealth and total obscurity will happily send you on training courses, hell, they might even pay you an extra tenner to learn.  I know that they used to.

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