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How welfarism is destroying Britain!
« on: Apr 26, 2007, 19:07 »
by Melanie Phillips for the Dail Mail

...claimed it had caused widespread fecklessness, dishonesty and, above all, illegitimacy, creating through a dependency culture an underclass of people whose uncivilised behaviour was so extreme they had become detached altogether from normal society.

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Re: How welfarism is destroying Britain!
« Reply #1 on: Apr 27, 2007, 14:53 »
by Melanie Phillips for the Dail Mail

...claimed it had caused widespread fecklessness, dishonesty and, above all, illegitimacy, creating through a dependency culture an underclass of people whose uncivilised behaviour was so extreme they had become detached altogether from normal society.

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Type of crap I would expect from the Daily Wail.

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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2007, 22:20 »
Cant really comment on the article....But there sure is an underclass in this country!
And it lives in the South, just as much as the North!

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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2007, 23:11 »
by Melanie Phillips for the Dail Mail

...claimed it had caused widespread fecklessness, dishonesty and, above all, illegitimacy, creating through a dependency culture an underclass of people whose uncivilised behaviour was so extreme they had become detached altogether from normal society.

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True, isn't it?  A certain class of people seem to think that they can live off the rest of us who have to pay taxes to keep them in their idle ways.

The welfare state was created to help those who could not help themselves such as the ill and infirm etc. and not for those who choose not to help themselves.  I've no objection to my taxes helping those in true need, but the welfare state has degenerated this country and brought it almost to its knees.

People expect the state to provide, when they themselves are the ones who should be providing for their families.

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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2007, 00:07 »
True, isn't it?  A certain class of people seem to think that they can live off the rest of us who have to pay taxes to keep them in their idle ways.

The welfare state was created to help those who could not help themselves such as the ill and infirm etc. and not for those who choose not to help themselves.  I've no objection to my taxes helping those in true need, but the welfare state has degenerated this country and brought it almost to its knees.

People expect the state to provide, when they themselves are the ones who should be providing for their families.

Agreed.

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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2007, 13:57 »
I think people take advantage of the State because they can be better off by claiming benefits, which are worth more than a wage to them if they went to work. That's the problem. Unemployed people will not take a cut in income by taking a poorly paid job. Personal pride doesn't seem to come into it.

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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2007, 18:18 »
I think people take advantage of the State because they can be better off by claiming benefits, which are worth more than a wage to them if they went to work. That's the problem. Unemployed people will not take a cut in income by taking a poorly paid job. Personal pride doesn't seem to come into it.

So it's time that the amount they got by not by working was cut drastically.

Doesn't the Government make up the weekly income of the lower paid to a certain amount?

An alternative.  If the Government is going to give handouts make them turn up at 7am and do some work for a minimum of 8 hours a day. I'm sure enough brushes could be found to allow them to sweep the streets.  Why should they lay in bed all morning while the rest work to keep them?  There has to be a better way.

 

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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2007, 18:51 »
Good point` maybe some kind of scheme which involves work might find them making an effort.

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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2007, 19:36 »
Good point` maybe some kind of scheme which involves work might find them making an effort.

Isnt that part of what national service was?...Shame we cant bring that back (and for women too...works in Isreal!)

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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2007, 22:10 »
Isnt that part of what national service was?...Shame we cant bring that back (and for women too...works in Isreal!)

There's an idea.  All those on the dole for more than 6 months in any five years could do National Service. 

N.S wasn't created for that reason, but to back up the numbers in the existing Services.  Since this Government took over our Services have dropped to rock bottom in numbers and equipment. Very demoralising for those whose job it is to protect us.


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Re: How welfarism is destroying Britain!
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2007, 22:16 »
Yeah but keep them away from the front line and make them do remf jobs.

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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2007, 22:55 »
But wouldn't making them go to work for 8 hours a day make them unable to visit job centres and visit companies to try and find a job?  Some thing does need doing as there a lot of people taking the piss out of the system but in the same breath there is a lot of people that do want to work and can't find a job. I think there is a topic somewhere else on the site about unemployment and people who can't find work. I wouldn't like to be the one who decided who is taking the piss and who genuinly needs the benefits.

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