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Who should pay?
« on: Aug 15, 2010, 16:16 »
Should we, the British tax payers, fork out money for the Pope, and his gang of hangers on, to visit this country? 

The Catholic Church is one of the wealthiest organistaions in the world, let them or their supporters in this country pay.  They fleece their congregations out of millions every year to fill their coffers.  Enough is enough, it's all nothing but a big con trick!

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Re: Who should pay?
« Reply #1 on: Aug 15, 2010, 17:27 »
The country pays for all visiting heads of state so why not the pope as head of state of the Vatican ( Holy See)

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Re: Who should pay?
« Reply #2 on: Aug 15, 2010, 17:45 »
Those who want religion should pay for it. 

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Re: Who should pay?
« Reply #3 on: Aug 15, 2010, 19:00 »
Why? He is here for a state visit not a pastoral visit. Exactly the same as the leader of any other country.
The catholic church as paying for the religious rallies he is to attend I don't see why they should pay for him to meet the Queen who is also a leader of a religion or the PM.

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Re: Who should pay?
« Reply #4 on: Aug 15, 2010, 19:13 »
Do you aggree to this?  Senior Vatican officials who will accompany the Pope on his historic visit to Britain will stay in a luxury hotel where rooms cost up to £900 a night – courtesy of UK taxpayers. What's wrong with a Premier Inn?  That's all he is worth if you look at his record.  The man is not fit for the job.

The Government has also decided to give all 11 officials a daily spending allowance of £150 for the trip.





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« Reply #5 on: Aug 15, 2010, 20:19 »
Yeah I would agree to Premier Inn as long as the same was applied to every VIPs hanger ons

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Re: Who should pay?
« Reply #6 on: Aug 15, 2010, 21:17 »
Is this a fit and proper man for the U.K taxpayer to subsidise?

As well as a religious leader, the Pope is a head of state and the state and organisation of which he is head has been responsible for:

1. Opposing the distribution of condoms and so increasing large families in poor countries and the spread of AIDS

2. Promoting segregated education

3. Denying abortion to even the most vulnerable women

4. Opposing equal rights for lesbians, gay, bisexual and transgender people

5. Failing to address the many cases of abuse of children within its own organisation.

6. Rehabilitating the holocaust denier bishop Richard Williamson and the appeaser of Hitler, the war-time Pope, Pius XII.

The state of which the Pope is the head has also resisted signing many major human rights treaties and has formed its own treaties (‘concordats’) with many states which negatively affect the human rights of citizens of those states.

As a head of state, the Pope is an unsuitable guest of the UK government and should not be accorded the honour and recognition of a state visit to our country.

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Re: Who should pay?
« Reply #7 on: Aug 16, 2010, 07:29 »
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1: I agree that he is wrong about all types of contraception

4: He opposed being forced to allow gay couples to adopt
while I have nothing against gays I support him on this.

5: He is completely wrong with his handling of child abuse.

But I still think he should be awarded the same chance as any other leader who does not totally agree with us. FFS we let Mandella in and he is a convicted terrorist.

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Re: Who should pay?
« Reply #8 on: Aug 16, 2010, 09:17 »
But he's a nobody. Not a world leader in any way.  Religion is finished as people have seen through the con apart from certain Asians.  Some week minded people may need it as a prop so let them pay for him, not the rest of us.

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Re: Who should pay?
« Reply #9 on: Aug 16, 2010, 10:51 »
He is not coming as a religious leader.
You are back on your old hobby horse. I do not consider myself weak minded but I still believe in a superior being.
One last point if you do not believe in supporting him because he is a religious leader then you must by association think the same of the Queen as leader of the church of England

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Re: Who should pay?
« Reply #10 on: Aug 16, 2010, 11:15 »
You can't call him a head of state, although you might like to.  More like a head of a load of cranks.  I don't consider the Queen as head of the Church as I think religion is bonkers.  You only have to think straight. 

Do you believe that someone floating in the clouds created this earth in 7 days and controls all that the billions on earth do at any moment?  Do you believe that Mary and Joseph were married for so long and didn't bonk?  Do you think there's a heaven and hell?  When you go into a wooden box that's it.  Dead and nothing more.

The church, particularly the Catholic Church, is a big con. They are worth £300 billion, according to the latest figures, and still take your money from you. Just a load of mumbo jumbo.  Wake up to the real world.


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Re: Who should pay?
« Reply #11 on: Aug 16, 2010, 12:15 »
He is legally a head of state whether you like it or not.
Your retoric concerning religion is getting a bit boring if you don't want to believe that's up to you. Please allow those who do believe do so without derision from narrow minded bigots. This argument has gone on for quite awhile and I don't believe it's worth putting everyone else on this forum through it again.
You are free not to believe and I am free todo so.

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